Hypocrisy and Manipulation – Is the FIRE Movement Corrupt?

I started this blog just over three years ago to chronicle the last leg of our journey and share our approach to Financial Independence. In 2019 our first child was born and life got busy. When I went back to work in late 2019 I stopped reading other personal finance blogs. We had another baby, life got even busier. I have only recently started being an active member of the FIRE community again. About two months ago I started reading other blogs again and quickly realised that a lot had changed in the 18 months that I was missing in action. I was shocked.

More and more finfluencers are joining the Financial Independence Movement and many are in it to make money and get rich quickly. Is FIRE Community corrupt?

The majority of FIRE blogs used to be about sharing one’s journey and lessons learned along the way with others. It was about helping others. Now the focus of many bloggers and so-called “finfluencers” (finance influencers) seems to have shifted to selling questionable digital products under the pretence of writing about FIRE and helping readers on their path. Obviously, their real motivation is to make a quick buck. Some even go one step further and basically sell products and courses to wanna-be finfluencers on how to get rich blogging and selling products… Where does it end?

These kinds of people have always been around, but until recently there were very few in the FIRE space. Most of them used to hang out in the crypto / trading / MLM / <enter a get rich quick scheme of your choice> universe. That has changed.

Coincidentally, while I’ve been trying to wrap my head around what happened to my beloved FIRE movement, I’ve noticed that both other bloggers and readers have started speaking out about this topic. Finfluencers have also been a hot topic in the media in recent months. A few weeks ago Tanja Hester from Our Next Life published a thought-provoking article announcing that it is time to “retire the FIRE movement”. While I don’t agree with all of the points she makes in this article, I completely agree with her view that the FIRE movement has been co-opted by the “get rich quick” crowd. Here is a quote from her article:

Now, however, so many of the loudest voices are pushing products at every turn, reminiscent of the “I got rich buying real estate, so now come to my seminar so I can take a bunch of your money that I claim to not need.”

I think Tanja is spot on. Don’t get me wrong, bloggers and other content producers have every right to get paid for their work. Running a blog is hard work, and so is producing podcasts and making Youtube videos. Writing an original article can take days. Of course, people should get paid for their work and their contribution to the community. This is true for bloggers who are still on the path to FIRE and those who have already reached their goal.

However, it is quite obvious that the FIRE Community has changed and there are now a lot more players with different motives than there were just a few short years ago. If you’ve followed our story you probably know that Mr. Flamingo lost his life savings in his early 20s because he was manipulated into pouring all of his money into a very high-risk investment. So I feel quite strongly about these kinds of people trying to profit from the FIRE movement and taking advantage of inexperienced investors.

The Who is Who in the FIRE Movement

To illustrate the various groups who are now floating around the FIRE Movement, I’ve created this chart:

The FIRE Community in 2021 consists of various groups with different motives. The majority of FIRE Enthusiasts are interested in sharing knowledge and helping, while other groups are looking for a quick way to make money. There are bloggers, content creators and so-called "finfluencers" with different agendas and it can be hard to know why someone has joined the movement.

Let’s go through the different groups starting from the bottom.

The first group at the bottom of the pyramid currently consists of two subgroups:

The Financial Independence Community in 2021 comprises both people who want to get rich quick and genuine FIRE enthusiasts who want to find happiness and lead a fulfilled life.

The FIRE Enthusiasts

This is the core group of the FIRE community – normal people with normal jobs who are on the path to Financial Independence. These are people who want to grow wealth slowly. Their goal is freedom and living a fulfilling, meaningful life.

Books these guys love:
Your Money or Your Life
The Simple Path to Wealth
The Millionaire Next Door

The “Get Rich” Followers

These are people who are looking for ways to make money with minimum effort and in the fastest way possible. They might also strive for Financial Independence, but their motivations and values are different from the FIRE Enthusiasts.

Books these guys love:
The 4-Hour Workweek
Hustle Harder, Hustle Smarter
Big Money Energy: How to Rule at Work, Dominate at Life, and Make Millions

Bloggers and Other Content Creators

In this group, we find all the FIRE bloggers (and personal finance bloggers who cover related content) as well other FIRE content creators – YouTubers, Instagrammers (to a certain degree) and podcasters.

Bloggers, content creators and finfluencers have an important role to play in the Financial Independence Retire Early Community. Some of them prioritise making money over helping the community.

The big difference between this group and the two groups at the top of the pyramid is that these are people who are as much part of the FIRE community as the FIRE Enthusiasts. The only difference is that they have decided to add their voice via a blog, podcast or other kinds of content. This group is an extension of the first group and both groups interact all the time, it’s a two-way relationship.

Bloggers and other content creators may or may not make money from their content. Some have ads on their websites and some affiliate links for products they use. They may, for instance, recommend personal finance books they like on their recommendations page and include an Amazon Affiliates link so they earn a few cents if a reader buys a book via the link on their website (I have links like this on my Resources page myself). Or they might recommend a service they use (like Sharesight, YNAB, etc.) and get a small commission or a credit if a reader signs up via their link.

YouTubers might make some money from their videos, podcasters usually have a sponsor they announce at the start of the show. Others might sell some low-cost budget templates in their Etsy store. As you can see this is all quite harmless, doesn’t muddy the message the FIRE content creators are trying to convey and certainly doesn’t hurt the reader/listener in any way.

Others (myself included) simply offer followers the option to support them – either with a one-off or a regular contribution.

We’ll skip the Grey Area for now and move straight into “get rich” territory – let’s meet the Wolves in Sheeps Clothing.

The Wolves In Sheep’s Clothing

There are two kinds of people in this group:
a) New content creators who want to make money online and picked the FIRE Movement as their niche. They pretend to be part of the FIRE community, but they really are just after money. These guys want to profit from the FIRE community (and possibly reach FIRE in the process).
b) Formerly legitimate FIRE bloggers/content creators who have sold out.

This group uses the FIRE Movement to get rich by selling digital products like expensive courses and e-books, publishing articles with unrelated affiliate links. These Finfluencers have sold out and want to reach Financial Independence by making money off the FIRE Movement.

These guys often refer to their blog/website as their “online business”. They use advanced online marketing strategies and are often SEO (rather than personal finance) experts. Here are some of the things you will find on their websites:

  • “Reviews” and “comparisons” of questionable financial products and services (like investment firms you’ve never heard about, loans and credit cards). These “reviews” are of course usually positive and include many affiliate links.
  • Lots of affiliate links to unrelated products or products and services the website owner has never used themselves. These usually pay them a big commission if a reader signs up (examples include credit cards, loans (including payday loans!), investment services and other people’s courses (often about making money online!).
  • Sponsored (=paid) posts (often portrayed as guest posts).
  • Self-published e-books that cost a lot more than normal books you can buy in a book shop.
  • Words like “exclusive”, “signature”, etc.
  • A lot of talk about cryptocurrency, trading and other ways to get rich quickly.
  • These guys often don’t write the articles on their sites themselves. Many hire ghostwriters to create content on their behalf.

Unfortunately, there is now an ever-growing number of new bloggers who display pretty much all the things I listed above from the start. Their sites have little informational value and they are usually nowhere near as financially secure as they pretend to be. While experienced readers know to just ignore sites like this not everyone sees right through them. Of course, this doesn’t mean that a website is bad just because you find one of the things on the list above. However, if you find a number of them and very little proper content, there is a very good chance you are dealing with a Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing.

The Leeches

These guys basically make money teaching the Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing how to get rich running and growing their online businesses.

The Leeches make money off Finfluencers who want to get rich by blogging or creating other FIRE content. These gurus often sell expensive courses and systems and make big promises.

Things you’ll hear from Leeches:

  • “Lifestyle business”, “location independent”
  • “Secret formula”, “fool-proof system”
  • “Make money while you sleep” (which is ironic, because by simply following common FIRE advice – investing in index funds – you will make money while you sleep without running some dodgy scheme)

I recently watched the awesome Neflix documentary series “Money Explained”. The first episode is about get rich quick schemes and refers to what leeches do as “coaching schemes”. I highly recommend you watch this episode if you haven’t yet.

These guys are often former or current Wolves who are (or claim to be) successful running their online businesses and now want to “share their success secrets” with others. Yeah right.

The Grey Area

The members of this group move around in the grey area between group 2 (the genuine bloggers/content creators) and group 4 (the Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing).

There is a line that genuine bloggers and others in the Financial Independence Retire Early space should not cross.

Here you’ll find a variety of practices. Most people in this group are either
a) Genuine bloggers/content creators who are experimenting with new ways to monetise their blogs
b) New content creators who are genuinely interested in FIRE but who would not have started a blog if it wasn’t for the financial incentive

Things you will find on the websites of this group:

  • More affiliate links for things like credit cards and web hosting and associated services (Bluehost anyone?)
  • Some courses, e-books and other offerings (usually about FIRE or other personal finance topics)
  • Some sponsored posts from services the content creator uses personally
  • A general sense that this content creator is trying to reach FIRE by selling products about reaching FIRE (this is where something called “paradox of practice” starts – more on this below.

There are many different shades of grey here. Some legitimate content creators have some questionable stuff on their sites but 95% of the content they provide is still free and helpful. In a case like this, it is the reader’s job to find the nuggets and ignore the rest.

At the same time, many “Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing” blogs start off looking like Grey Area websites but soon step it up and turn into full-blown “lifestyle businesses”. This level is also a bit of a slippery slide. It’s not always easy to see what the intent of content creators in this group is, so it’s important to be careful.

There is a line that goes somewhere through this group and that separates the FIRE community from the get rich crowd.

The FIRE Community vs The “Get Rich Quick” Crowd

When you look at the different groups described above it is easy to see who really is part of the FIRE community and who is just pretending. The “Get Rich Quick” followers are not really after the information and ideas shared by the FIRE Enthusiasts and content creators. What they are really after is the information the Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing and the Leeches provide.

The FIRE Movement in 2021 consists of actors from two different groups: The FIRE Community (think Mr. Money Mustache followers) and the "Get Rich Quick" Crowd.

The FIRE Community is a very young community in the grand scheme of things. There have, of course, always been people who sell the “Get Rich Quick” dream, snake oil salesmen, manipulators and scammers. I believe it’s a shame that the latter group is slowly taking over the FIRE Movement and makes it so much harder to find genuine content.

The current state of affairs in the FIRE community creates a few problems:

  • The FIRE Enthusiasts have to constantly look out for Wolves and their manipulative messages, especially if they are new to Financial Independence.
  • “Get Rich Quick” Followers move conversations away from traditional FIRE topics (frugality, happiness, investing in index funds, etc.) to typical “Get Rich Quick” topics.
  • Genuine FIRE bloggers and other content creators might get lured in by both Wolves and Leeches and might even be accused of being part of the “Get Rich Quick” Crowd.

A Paradox of Practice

A Paradox of Practice means that someone promotes a strategy to become rich to others when this strategy is not what made them rich. They don’t practice what they preach. The best example of this is the ultimate hypocrite of the personal finance world – Robert Kyosaki (I love Rich Dad, Poor Dad as much as the next FIRE Enthusiast, but the guy is a complete sell-out).

I first learned about this concept in M.J. DeMarco’s book The Millionaire Fastlane (which is not a book about getting rich quickly by the way, although the title might suggest otherwise).  

It refers to people who are wealthy (or on the way) because they found a way to sell their advice to people (this is what is making them money), all the while pretending that their success is based on the principles they teach.

Imagine the following: You’ve put on some weight and want to make changes to your diet and lifestyle. You find a weight loss program you like and decide to sign up. During the first meeting of your group, you realise that the group coach is a grumpy, overweight woman. What would you do? You would leave. Would you take them seriously? Hell no. Would you take their advice? Definitely not.

Now think about this example in the context of personal finance. We don’t carry our investments around for everyone to see like the extra weight on our hips. It is a lot easier to fake being rich and successful (especially online) than it is to pretend to be trim and healthy.

This is the problem with the Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing and the Leeches. They might say things like “I want to help you achieve Financial Independence”. Translation: “I want YOU to help ME achieve Financial Independence by giving me money”.

“The Chasing”

In her article mentioned above, Tanja from Our Next Life manages to verbalise something I have been thinking about a lot but have not been able to put into words: The chasing. Here is how she describes it:

The problem isn’t the doing, it’s the chasing. You innately know the difference, and you can spot it from a mile away. You can sniff out the folks who are clearly doing something for the love of it versus those who are primarily trying to enrich themselves. […] At the very least, we should ask why people who claim to be selling a path out of the hustle can’t seem to escape the hustle themselves.

Tanja argues that the chasers who claim to have reached FIRE already either didn’t save enough and still need to accumulate more money or they are unable to define what “enough” means. Whatever the reason is, it should make you suspicious.

Why would someone keep chasing if they have reached a point where they don’t need to earn an income anymore? Why would they push questionable products down readers’ throats? Why would someone try very very hard to sell you their “fool-proof system” to get rich if they have achieved everything they are promising to teach you?

Is the FIRE Movement Corrupt?

Let’s get back to the question I asked in the title of this (very long) article. Is the FIRE Movement Corrupt? I guess my answer is yes and no. Yes, there are many shady characters floating around the FIRE Movement now and the “Get Rich Crowd” has definitely made its mark. In a way, it was only a matter of time.

The good news is that there is still a very strong part of the movement that stands for what the FIRE Movement was originally about: creating wealth to live a happy, meaningful life. There is still a lot of quality information out there and people who are happy to share their stories and insights.

I believe Tanja is right when she says that it is time to “retire FIRE” and split the movement up.

We should turn this

The FIRE Community in 2021 consists of various groups with different motives. The majority of FIRE Enthusiasts are interested in sharing knowledge and helping, while other groups are looking for a quick way to make money. There are bloggers, content creators and so-called

into this:

The FIRE Community is all about reaching a level of freedom in our lives so we can be happy and fulfilled. This community uses money as a tool to reach independence and control over one's time.
The "Get Rich Quick" Crowd is primarily interested in making a lot of money and becoming wealthy quickly. They often create online businesses in the FIRE niche to make a quick buck.

Two distinct groups in different universes. Wouldn’t that be nice? Yes, it would be. But it won’t happen, of course. So all we can do as genuine FIRE Enthusiasts is to keep doing what we have been doing this whole time: help others out, produce quality content, share our stories and focus on what the FIRE Movement is really about.

To finish this monster article I’ll share some quick tips on how to sniff out members of the “Get Rich Quick” Crowd.

How to Protect Yourself from Get Rich Quick Schemes

Whether you are new to Financial Independence or a long-term FIRE Enthusiasts, here are a few tips to navigate the FIRE Community and to avoid falling for traps:

  • See blogs, Youtube videos, Instagram posts by finfluencers and podcasts as encouragement, inspiration and entertainment, not advice.
  • When you are just starting out, all the basic info you need can be found online and in books for free. You don’t need to buy any “systems”, “secret methods” or anything else to get started. You can find my favourite websites and books on my resources page.
  • Be sceptical!
  • If you start following a particular content creator, ask yourself:
    • Has this person achieved (or on the way to) what they are writing/talking about?
    • Are they trying to sell you something?
    • Are they wealthy (or getting there) because they use(d) the same methods they are trying to teach you? Do they practice what they preach?
  • Take advice from people with a proven track record of both doing and being successful at what they are preaching.

Thanks for reading! 🙂

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22 thoughts on “Hypocrisy and Manipulation – Is the FIRE Movement Corrupt?”

  1. I’ve always thought of the FIRE movement kind of like the Open Source movement in software. It’s a hacker community that helps each other out, most all of the good advice is free, and no one person really has all the answers. Personal Finance is Personal, after all. Then there are people who will take something essentially open source, put it in a wrapper or package it to make it more consumable for the general public that isn’t really willing or able to do the research or grow their financial literacy. Think Apple, or enterprise versions of Linux. Once you stop working hard for yourself, and start paying someone else to do it, you’re potentially at the mercy of grifters.

  2. Great analysis (and graphic!).

    I’ve been away for 3 years, and what stands out to me is the difference between what I think of as “bloggers” (who share regular stories about their lives mostly through a personal finance lens), and “content creators” where every post is an article, and the more you read, the more you realise it is the same information being repackaged under clickbait headlines.

    I agree that when you are starting out you consume as much as you possibly can, and may get caught up, but stick around for not very long and quite frankly, the content creation sites get boring!

    For me, the true FIRE movement is “who would you like to meet up with in real life”? Who do you know enough about as a person to be able to meet for the first time, and start talking as if you’ve known each other for years?

    • Great comment! I agree, the content creation sites get boring and repetitive quickly. I guess that what makes them different from the classic FIRE sites like MMM, etc. (who I would of course love to meet in real life!)

  3. Thank you for this thorough analysis. I can think of a few wolves and leeches lol. It is true that they are usually the ones screaming the loudest. There is too much noise in the community these days…

  4. Honestly now i’ve achieved Semi-retirement and am happy in myself and my day to day i rarly consume FIRE content… just staying loyal to the few sites that helped me get where i am today. (Flamingos included)

    I agree though for the newbies to FIRE it is a densely populated minefield out though – like you say there are the FIRE bibles that everyone who wants to go on the journey should read after that its all just white noise and gets in the way of life


  5. Thank you for your article. Like you, I have recently started reading blogs and websites in the FIRE community after an absence of a few years. I was beginning to think I didn’t want to refer to myself as a FIRE person at all if I was going to be likened to some of the selfish, get rich quick people out there disguised as FIRE bloggers.

    I achieved FIRE a few years ago and started a passion business on the side, that basically took over my life. Now I’ve wound that back again, I realise that I need to ask myself, how much is enough. And, it’s answering these philosophical existential questions about the meaning of life, combined with some sound savings and frugality tips that describes a FIRE philosophy to me.

    While it would be great to be able to get rich quickly, really, it’s only people with wealth in the first place who can leverage or take risks to turn it into quick profits. For the majority of successful FIRE people, it’s being frugal and consistent over many years and that’s the support I want from the FIRE bloggers and websites. This is not an attractive lifestyle to the get rich quick crowd, although they use the hard sell of the self help movement to attract followers. I hope to see more articles around that show up this discrepancy so that people are not caught out by the charlatans and can live the FIRE life.


    • Thanks for your comment, Emma! I agree, the image of the typical FIRE enthusiast has definitely changed over the last few years.
      The “how much is enough” question is so important. I think about it all the time and find it’s a great guide and reminder. It helps me say no to things and stay in touch with my values. It’s literally the opposite of get rich quick.
      I just listened to a Podcast about lottery winners and how unhappy a lottery win makes people. So I guess the whole get rich quick idea is flawed.

  6. Yes I feel that there are bloggers in Australia that are producing daily or weekly blogs that are the same and are just repackaged week after week. I feel that some bloggers start out with good intentions but the idea of making a living or a so called side hustle get sucked into money side of it.
    They also feel that they can retire early by selling the tip sheets/books/investing ideas by having us watch there video’s everyday/week just to see it reproduced again in another couple of weeks
    Also they have little experience in what they are talking about so I look for bloggers that have the runs on the board when it comes to learning more about FIRE.

  7. Some “content creators” are definitely Content Copiers, Content Regurgitators and Content Counterfeiters!
    Thanks for saying what needed to be said. And your pyramid of the FIRE pyramid is perfect.

  8. I love what you have written here. But one thing struck me when I was reading about your personal FIRE strategy- you had two children. Wouldn’t that go against everything that FIRE stands for? Why would you add the expense of one child let alone two if you’re trying to retire early???? I never could afford children because I was always a low wage worker, you know 50% of us are since there are so many jobs that need to be done like the laundry at the hospital or the hotel that you stay at, the cleaning of the rooms in said establishments, medical assistant, cleaning staff and receptionist at your doctor’s office dentist office veterinarian’s office etc, groundskeeping, laboring on construction sites, driving, (although not driving big rigs/CDL/hazmat and that kind of stuff cuz that does tend to pay a bit better than simply driving a FedEx truck or some Uber car), manning the gas station, hanging clothes on hangers & then racks at Bloomingdale’s, washing dishes, cooking food, and serving that food at the favorite restaurant that you always go to, bottling wine at your favorite winery not to mention picking the grapes and processing them driving that wine purchase points where you buy it & while we’re talking about that picking any kind of food that you consume and processing any kind of food that you consume as well as any meat that you prefer, taking care of those animals and slaughtering and processing them, cleaning the airplane after you get off of it or before you get on it, TSA, doing childcare of any kind esp in home child care in your home ie; your nanny, cleaning your home, cleaning the cars you rent, doing all sorts of low level paperwork in office settings like filing & so on, crossing guard, teacher’s aide, political office aid campaign workers that kind of thing, fast food of course, all sorts of jobs on cruise ships and at resorts and spas, assistant and go for jobs in publishing, recording industry, television and movie industry, and towel boy waterboy locker room cleaning and stocking uniform detailing beer popcorn and snack sales at your favorite sports arena, working at the Apple computer store, the cell phone store, all of us working at the Amazon warehouse, the Wayfair Warehouse, the you name it whose website Warehouse and shipping centers, and on and on and on and on. I have one friend who is working doordash and trying to do FIRE while working doordash in the Bay Area/San Francisco. He lives in a mini school bus parked in Oakland that he bought for less than $1,000 because it barely runs. Getting it started and moving it if need be is like a huge production. He does not wash his clothes even often enough because he’s pouring all of his money into cryptocurrency investment. You should smell the guy, because of course he doesn’t have a shower or even a proper bathroom- he lives in a vehicle- no running water no toilet not even a sink. This is how we have to live those of us at this end of the income spectrum if we want to try FIRE… Which is why I’m baffled as to how you can afford to have two children and still do FIRE. Also this must not be about depriving yourself of washing your clothes (& I mean this guy has been out all winter here in all the massive rain storms in his motorcycle jumpsuit doordash delivering on a (seriously used) honda motor scooter- have you ever left a load of laundry in the washer because you were too tired or whatever to put it in the dryer? And then it starts to get that stink to it? & You have to rewash it either with bleach or Lysol laundry sanitizer to get the smell out? It’s that smell times 10. No wait times 100. Because the guy has been out in every rain storm since it started raining in the fall and instead of laundering that motorcycle jumpsuit, he just left it air dry while he’s wearing it or you know after he takes it off and swings it over something in the school bus. Sometimes it wouldn’t even dry out before he started another shift because it’s so cold- he has no heat as one wouldn’t living in a mini School bus…. So that’s the lifestyle he gets to live trying to do FIRE on about 60 hours a week of doordash delivery. So I’m dying to find out how much money do you have to make in order to do FIRE AND have 2 children??? Cuz I don’t have any concept of income except for a few dollars over minimum wage.


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